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Post by The Divine Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 3:08:41 GMT -5
My Frenchies are all DQ about I have this present not on a table. I dont have see this rule and I'm a little bit sad about this. other smaller breeds are also not on a table and are not DQ? I have sitting houres on this pics  and now I'm unsure. Must I show my Frenchies always on a table? |
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Post by Dovahkiin Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 5:14:53 GMT -5
I dont want to side with anyone but i kind of have to agree with divine. The only "small" dogs were the basset hounds, a shiba inu and the frenchies. Bassets dont get shown on a table, but frenchies and shibas do, from what i know. So that they got dq is not unreasonable but the shiba didnt got dq, even tho it wasnt presented on a table.  |
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Post by The Divine Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 6:03:06 GMT -5
arghh..its notreally a problem for me, but I'm really unsure.. I have see a lot of pics and videos about Frenchies and not all was judge on a table.. as example this CLICKI always read the rules from the show and I have not think thats incorrect.. but now I know that. I must always know.. Must I show this always on a table? I'm always open for a critque and I'm honored the work from all judges! |
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Post by Clarissa Yue Sanders on Jun 5, 2016 6:40:33 GMT -5
I know I am not a judge and I might be completely wrong in this. But Simnational is pretty much a sims version of the annual Wesminster Show. I found a video from 2016's show and the Frenchies in BOB ring were presented on a table HEREWhile, as the above mentioned, Basset Hound, were presented on a small ramp in this year's show. It wasn't a table. So I assume that was up to the judge. HEREAs for the Shiba Inu, I can't really fend for, since they are supposed to be presented on a table according to video from WKC BOB ring 2016. HERE |
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Post by Dovahkiin Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 6:50:31 GMT -5
Hm...around 5:40 there is a frenchie on the desk and gets inspected by the judge. So guess thats the thing?? But i'm not sure...xP And of course we all appreciate the work and time the judges spend on, to make it possible for us to have proven dogs  Without them we couldnt do all if this <3 But only with questioning things and critiques (Bad or good) we are able to improving ourselfs and others  |
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Post by The Divine Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 6:55:34 GMT -5
But only with questioning things and critiques (Bad or good) we are able to improving ourselfs and others yes..this is it I will edit this in the future and all is ok. I have at the moment not a good time and I'm really sensitive. I take everything very personally. And that is the problem. I have very often the feeling I'm doing everything wrong and nobody likes me. hehe... so sorry about all this ... I'll change it |
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Post by Clarissa Yue Sanders on Jun 5, 2016 7:17:13 GMT -5
I have very often the feeling I'm doing everything wrong and nobody likes me. Divine, EVERYBODY likes you. You should be the last person worrying about it. <3 |
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Post by Delta Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 8:43:41 GMT -5
Never think that, Divine. Everyone here likes you, as well as your dogs. You're an important member to the sims community. <3
I do have to agree though. The Shiba Inu is suppose to be shown on a table, and thus should have also been disqualified for not being shown on one. Everyone makes mistakes though.
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Post by Bari on Jun 5, 2016 8:54:25 GMT -5
Divine! No one's against you! On the contrary, we are trying to figure out how to sort this. According to this, Shibas and French Bulldogs should be judged on a table, while Basset Hounds on a ramp. My question however is if it isn't the case would a dog get disqualified for that. I mean, It's not like the dog has a major disquialifying fault or an error on its form. Here's the list of table and ramp breeds. I'd like to point out that according to this "Designated ramp breeds may be examined on the ground or on a ramp during breed judging at the sole discretion of the judge, not the exhibitor" (page 13 or 21/38). So if it was a real show I (generic) wouldn't know before hand where my dogs would be examined, if on the ground or on a ramp. And if we want to make it as realistic as possible maybe a list prior to the show should be given to allow members to show their dogs properly, as that would be where the judge feels most comfortably judging a certain breed. On that same page it states that "By board approved policy, Basset Hounds and Bulldogs are expected to be judged on the ramp during breed, group and Best in Show judging. The ramp is not intended to be used during the group and/or Best in Show judging except for Bassets and Bulldogs." I undertsand it's basically saying "use the ramp for Bassets and Bulldogs" but I cant find anywhere where it states that these breeds MUST always be shown in such places. So I still wonder if they would get disqualified. In contrast, on the same page (page 13) it states "Designated table breeds must be examined on an examination table." In the Shiba Inu video there is a moment before the dogs all trot around the ring (around minute 2:00) where they all seemed stacked on the ground. And a moment right after the table (mintue 6:38 for instance) where they are briefly stacked as well. The same I saw for the French Bulldog at 4:37. What I don't know if actual judging of the stacked dog (both Shiba and Frenchie) is taking place in that instance. So if one table breed gets DQ'd for not being shown on a table and another table breed doesn't and isn't shown on a table either, I would like to know why. I am not against anyone and don't mean to judge or hurt anyone. I would like to know and be informed as well, and if it serves as a lesson for future events then the learning experience is welcome |
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Post by High Point on Jun 5, 2016 11:51:58 GMT -5
In the Shiba Inu video there is a moment before the dogs all trot around the ring (around minute 2:00) where they all seemed stacked on the ground. And a moment right after the table (mintue 6:38 for instance) where they are briefly stacked as well. The same I saw for the French Bulldog at 4:37. What I don't know if actual judging of the stacked dog (both Shiba and Frenchie) is taking place in that instance. Individual dogs are examined on the table. Yes, the judge looks at the dogs when they are on the ground too - they will look at them when they are on the ground in the lineup when they are making cuts or splitting hairs. The actual individual examination is done on the table though and that individual examination is far more important than the general impressions they get when the dogs are on the floor in the lineup. If you want to play it safe, always show your table breeds on a table and your ramp breeds on a ramp. If I had to guess, the fact that the shiba was not also DQed for not being on a table and the bassets not DQed for not being on a ramp was a simple oversight. |
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Post by Mainhardt on Jun 5, 2016 12:05:11 GMT -5
The staff are aware of this error and we are rectifying this so please wait for an update on the results of the Simnational Level 1. Moving forward, we will now specify which breeds need to be shown on a table to avoid this errors for future shows. Hopefully this will help members in the future that have breeds that need to show on ramps or tables |
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Post by The Divine Kennel on Jun 5, 2016 12:14:29 GMT -5
its ok we all makes error's mostly I this with the future shows is great <3 So sorry for all this trouble from me. And thank you all for your kind and helping words <3 and again I have learn new things |
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Post by Mainhardt on Jun 5, 2016 14:27:45 GMT -5
Results have been modified by Victoria Reed/Audlin. French Bulldogs have been judged and awarded placements Like mentioned, for future shows, breeds that must be shown on a table or ramp will be indicated and that is when disqualifications may be issued. Due to it not having been indicated for this show, we opted to not DQ any dogs for not showing on a table/ramp. Please let me know if there's any error with the results remaining. |
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Post by Bari on Jun 5, 2016 22:01:16 GMT -5
The staff are aware of this error and we are rectifying this so please wait for an update on the results of the Simnational Level 1. Moving forward, we will now specify which breeds need to be shown on a table to avoid this errors for future shows. Hopefully this will help members in the future that have breeds that need to show on ramps or tables Thank you for revising and taking this issue into consideration. I just want to say that it kinda came to me as a surprise because I had no problem on showing my Shiba and Bassets on previous shows. Now that it it has been clarified I will take it into account in the future and I am just happy to say I have learned something new about the dog-showing world (yup, I did not know that even ramps existed!) |
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Post by Bari on Jun 13, 2016 8:18:25 GMT -5
Hello! A quick question on points on the Simnational Level II. Since BOG winners get 4 points, 2nd 3rd and 4th get 3 points, 2 and 1 respectively?
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and now I'm unsure. Must I show my Frenchies always on a table?
